Investment Status & Programs I am thinking of Investing

Hello everyone. The last few days have been really interesting. A few programs seem to have fall apart. I was not to any of them except ClixSurf ofcourse. The list include ClixSurf, GciSurf and 2WeekSurf. The last two of them were NetIBA certified which makes me wonder about their methods of certifying sites. The GciSurf collapse was an awfull one since the guy decided to send a message braging that this was a Bulgarian scam from the beginning, and the whole site was set up ONLY to steal money. They used fake ids, untractable phone numbers and they worked from internet kiosks. This site was up and running for about 5-6 months and came highly suggested from many online sites including Jim Pollak. Be careful everyone and always make your own assesment about wether a site is trustworthy.

On the bride site, PaidResponse continues the merging process with PaidExposure. My account has been finally transferred. The site is a lot faster as well after they upgraded their server and available bandwidth. These are possitive steps. If they can fullfil the payments until November 30 as they promised then I will be a happy puppy.

12DailyPro goes strong. They deal with any problems that arise in a professional manner. They inform members at every circumstance and their members' base increases in an exponential way. I don't know if and when they will fall or where they get the money to pay the members but my "feeling" about them is very possitive at the moment.

I have the same good feeling for DadNDaves, eProfitSurf and Auto-surf.biz. The last two have changed their rules a bit and now they don't allow paypal and stormpay upgrades from non-US, not-validate users. Although a bit inconvinient it is a step towards protecting the members' investment.

If you are to invest in any autosurfs these 4 are my current favorites - they have paid me, they are run from trustworthy webmasters, they are online for at least half a year and the comments I read about them are possitive on all forums.

Apart from AutoSurfs I am closely watching several other opportunities at High Yield Investment Programs (HYIPs). The three programs that got my attention and I feel comfortable with them at the moment are: FeederFund, PrivateOpps and GoldenRocks. FeederFund and PrivateOpps are not HYIPs themselves but rather investment pools where you can invest small amounts of money to other, often private, programs that regularly would require thousands of $$$ as initial investments.

From the three I believe that the good 3 years record and the realistic returns of FeederFund makes it the lowest risk. On the other hand, PrivateOpps has the most professional site I have seen for any programs of this type. They also have a supportive forum where you can read and discuss more about the program. Finally, GoldenRocks is run by the Pola brothers for more than 10 months now. They offer returns on the range of 90% for every 30 days. They do not offer referral fees which, in my hamble opinion, is a *very good* sign for the longelivelity of their system.

I have already made a small deposit ($100) at PrivateOpps. I am thinking of doing the same for the other two the following days. I'll keep you informed on how things progress here. Most of these investments are from 12DailyPro profit which, for now, helps me increase the programs I work with.

Until next time, happy earnings and remember to diversify :)

Scams...

A few sites that I thought they have some good potential turn out to be scams. The worst of them was ClixSurf. This site showed good signs with an attractive approach and a nice script. They managed to stay alife... 7 days.

Initially, they reported a hardware error and took the site offline. But this was not the end of them. They, suprisingly, returned with a professional email stating the transition to a new server. They lasted one more day ...

The last I heard about them was regarding a hacker or insider that stole all eGold funds from their account. I do believe this was only an excuse, they have clearly made path for their exit together with some good profit. At least my final lose with them was only $40.

Who can you trust? As I stated on one of my first posts in this forum, this is not an easy place to be. Internet makes it easy for thiefs or scammers to target your money. Often you are given nothing but a word contract and a virtual account in a not safe server. So, it is extremely risky.

When the sites have a bad plan then it might be acceptable. After all, we can live with that and most of times make some profit as well. But when they get our money and dissapear in the middle of the night, then it is ugly.

How one can protect himself? This is a crucial question. First of all there are signs of a good site. A professional design is one of them. SSL or/and NETIBA certification another. Good membership growth a third one. Promptly payments for some time a fourth one. Actually, I will collect all of them and post a message regarding good site signs in another post soon. Still, no matter how many good signs, a site may collapse - some times unexpectedly.

The bottom line; always expect the worse and plan for the best.

12DailyPro - The Emperor

Yes, 12DailyPro paid me again at StormPay. A nice >$1300 payment. Reinvested. I hope they will be around until the year's end and beyond. They have not given me a reason to believe otherwise.

The bad news...

ClicSurf announced they had a server problem and closed the site for now. I hope they will come back but I would not bet on that. So, for now at least don't put money on them. Lost $50.

PaidResponse has not answered my ticket yet. From what I read in their forum I am not the only one who has the same problem. Hopefully things will turn good and there are some possitive signs. However, everything goes *SLOWLY* there and nobody has been paid any decent amount of money for 2 months now.

Paid Response Update

PaidResponse is on the process of merging with PaidExposure. Currently, there is a lot of movement and posting on the program's forum regarding the details of this transition.

I do hope things will get soon settled with the program. Merging the two communities was a necessity under the current situation, I just wish it was an automatic one. Currently, members have to issue a support ticket to get their account transfered to PaidExposure. It looks like a lot of work to me... I will keep you informed about my ticket, it was one of the first to be sent so I expect at least a rather quick reply.

New Programs and new Payments :)

12DailyPro paid me again for my e-gold deposit. So, I made back $1555 a whopping $480 profit for only viewing 12 ads for 12 days. Until now I have nothing but good words to say about them. Auto-Surf.biz payed me also, they pay me each week automatically.
I also gain some trust on where they get the money. Dan, the owner made a statement about it and I copy it here.

"Let me start by asking a question...
How do Banks, Savings and Loans, Insurance Companies, and other large institutions do it?
Do you take your money put it in the saving account just to have the interest returned while they keep your principal?
Do they tell you that you only have 50 days before
you can no longer earn interest on your money?
Darn, if the banks thought they could get away with that they would pay more interest, don't you think?
No banks use your money to make money by loaning it out at a higher rate of return.
And that is what we will do here.
While other pay to surf programs may rely on deposits to pay out members,
we do not.

60% of the Funds deposited with us go into an e-currency exchange program that uses
these funds to move money on the internet, e-currency exchange do you think
that may be a growing industry? The funds are backed by gold and never actually leave
our account we are just allowing the exchange company to use our funds as collateral
and in exchange they pay us a portion of fees they collect for the transactions they make.

Allow me to ask another question, have you ever exchanged funds on the internet?
If you have a Paypal account you have, if you have a Stormpay account you have,
If you use any of the on-line currency programs you have. Did any of them charge
you a fee to receive funds into your account? Well that is kind of what we are into
here, only we are dealing with the companies that these companies deal with daily
to get funds moved. (Ever hear of theFederal
Reserve Board here in the U.S.? It is
something along the same lines and almost as large in scale.)

While we are not a bank, more like a sewing circle investment club..LOL
We have plans in place to last.
To consistently payout while at the same time not risking a thing.

If you are wondering about the other 40% it will remain liquid for payouts and
possible short term investment that we deem to have little or no risk.

Also all of this was put in place prior to starting the traffic exchange and we have
our own funds backing the exchange; your funds will just added to ours; pooled together to increase returns.

I hope this starts to explain how we plan to pay without your deposited money expiring
I truly never heard of such a thing prior to the pay to surf traffic exchange. We just hope
To return the wealth back to the members and yes there is something in it for us as well.

1% a day may not be glamorous but is doable and sustainable, and we are not planning on building the largest building on the block, go to any major city in the world and see who owns the largest buildings, built with our money, hint it is the banks.

Dan Lund"

Finally, I have come across another very interesting site named ClixSurf. This site differs for all the rest regarding two things. First of all you can withdraw each and every day 10% of your membership level. I have checked it during last week and indeed withdraw is totally automatic. Second, the script they use is custom made and actually a hybrid between paid-to-click and autosurfers. You have to click a few advertisments to gain the 10% each day up to the maximum of %150 of your deposit. Regarding your initial membership level different kinds of advertisments will show up. You can see advertisments that cost maximum 2% of your account level. For example for a membership level of $100 you can see advertisments that cost $2 or less. A Brand new idea and a nice members forum as well. So, check it out :)

The bad news comes from PaidRespone. Currently the site is down. An email has been sent to members that the later the coming Monday the site will be up and running again. I hope this is true and they will fix their problems because members patient is starting to run out. I have invested $1100 in them and I don't want to see them falling together with my money. But I'm getting prepared for the worst to tell you the truth.

Where the money is coming from?

Banks usually pay you only around 2-3% per year and share market produces an average of 14% in a year. With autosurf programs you can make an incredible 265% in a year (remember that you loose your initial investment) or more using compounding.

So how can paid-to-surf programs pay you so much? The answer is not simple and certainly many times is not convincing. There can be a lot of income sources.

* Members Upgrades. A constant stream of new members and new upgrades is vital to any autosurf programs. Part of the money invested by new members goes to payouts for other members. No program can last long with only this one income source.
* Forex Trading. A few programs use the money on Forex (currency) trading. Bigger sums of money increase the probabilites of making money when exchanging currencies. Actually, there are a few techniques that require A LOT of money to work well when playing in Forex.
* HYIP programs. Some programs are also investing in other high yield investment opportunities, including HYIPs and other autosurf program. If a program is paying 1% daily, the owner can invest the money into another autosurf program paying even the same 1% and surf every day. With the right strategy, using compounding, he can produce much more than 265% in a year. The same program owner can also invest in a 3% daily program and that way he will easily generate enough money to pay the payouts, but in this case the risk is higher, of course.
* Advertising. All autosurf programs generate millions of hits and people interested in advertising for their sites may pay to buy some of those hits. Autosurf programs may also sell text links and banners displayed in members area or on the main page. Finally, the autosurf company can inject their own referral links for other surfing or HYIP sites and get commisions for new members there.
* Services to Members. Some autosurf programs also provide hosting services, professional design and promoting. Several big hosting companies even provide autosurf programs as an addition to their services for their clients wishing to advertise their sites.
* Transaction Fees. Few of the biggest autosurf programs have their own payment processors and online stores. Their members need to pay the fees when they deposit or withdraw their funds, there may also be fees on every transaction.
* Not surfing... Keep in mind that not all the members surf every day. So anytime the member doesn't surf the required amount of sites, more money stays in the program. And in fact almost no one manages to surf 265 days without a break. People are used to go on vacation for weeks and the "unsurfed" money stays in the program.

Who has paid me until now(update)

Finally DadNDaves paid me after 4 days. I had to send an email asking about the status of my payment. The answer was friendly, personal and informative - so I have nothing but good words to say about them. It seems there was some missunderstanding with my paypal name that caused a confussion. I trust this is the case, since other people had that issue before :lol:

So, I got $200 from DadnDaves. Until now I received money as scheduled from 12dailypro, DadNDaves and auto-surf.biz.

I am surfing for 1 month now and starting to get a deeper understang on how auto-surfing works. Each and every day I learn something new. My daily reading includes the new posts at the TalkGold Forum. Here is a quick link to them:
TalkGold New Posts. There is much garbage posts there but, if you read between the lines, you can find interesting trends that can protect you and your investment. I cannot stress enough the importance of getting ahead of things. If you believe that auto-surfing is the easiest money you ever gonna make think twice. Diversifying your portfolio and making sure that you are overally in profit needs some inside information and (certainly) dedication.

Who has paid me until now

Until now I received a payment from 12DailyPro for my initial $900. It took 7 days after my upgrade expires and I can tell you I was quite anxious about it. Should be $1296 to my account but thanks to StormPay fees it was much less :( I reinvested to 12dailypro $1080.
Also, Auto-Surf.biz has payed me directly to my paypal account 2 times already- every Saturday. Got $90 from them and really liked the auto payments if you do not compound.
I have requested money from DadNDaves for October earnings ($210) but have not received it yet. People post all over the net about how fast they get their payouts from this site but mine seems to be postponed - I guess it is because I used paypal to upgrade and they want to make sure I will not chargeback them. I just wish there was a better way to tell wether my payment is in process, because as it stands now I am not sure if they even received my request. I will keep you informed about that.
At eProfitSurf.com and StudioTraffic I compound - my earnings were not enough to request a payment. Finally, I put some money to 50cent2suft.com to test it. I will keep you informed about how this goes.